R.i.P Proof
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The violent death of Detroit rapper Proof has hip-hop artists and fans asking if rap produces violence or if it's simply a reflection of the dangers black men face in urban America.
"Proof's death is an example of the violence claiming the lives of a lot of young black men all over America, not just rappers," said Mister Mann Frisby, 31, a Philadelphia-based author, who wrote a book about young black men in America. "For every rapper who gets shot and killed there are 300 nameless young black men who die the same way."
Proof, 32, whose real name was Deshaun Holton, was an integral member of Detroit's hip-hop community and superstar rapper Eminem's right-hand man. He was gunned down around 4:30 a.m. Tuesday at the CCC nightclub on Eight Mile on Detroit's east side. Police said Proof was shot after shooting a man at the club. The investigation continues.
Proof was the second member of superstar rapper Eminem's entourage to be shot in Detroit within four months. Obie Trice was shot in the head New Year's Eve while driving on the Lodge Freeway but has recovered. Nationally, hip-hop superstars Tupac Shakur, the Notorious B.I.G., and Run DMC's Jam Master Jay were shot to death in the last decade.
In an eerie coincidence, Proof was shot and killed in Eminem's 2005 music video for "Like Toy Soldiers," a song that warns against hip-hop wars escalating into real life violence. The video shows a bloodied Proof lying in a hospital bed while doctors try to revive him, and also depicts the rapper's funeral.
Proof also prophesied his death on "No T. Lose," a track from his 2005 solo album "Searching for Jerry Garcia," rapping, "Broken hearted, my soul's like an open target/ And I'm ready to leave Earth, you step to my death next year on my T-shirt."
Jake Hill interviewed Proof a month ago for a story in Detroit Rock City magazine that hits newsstands this week. He said Proof knew violence was a part of life, but he never worried about it.
"I think it's a Detroit thing, honestly," Proof said, addressing Trice's shooting in the interview.
'Microcosm of society'
MTV News correspondent Sway Calloway said some people might question how smart it was for Proof to be hanging out in a club at such a late hour. But he said the issue is deeper than a hip-hop lifestyle leading to violence.
"Hip-hop is a microcosm of society as a whole," said Calloway, in Los Angeles on Tuesday. "And especially in urban areas, we're constantly trying to prove our bravado by brute force and by physical force, but we never think to tap into our intelligence to deal with conflict and confrontation."
Proof was not a gangsta rapper, per se. He did rap about violence, but mostly in a cartoonish manner of one-upmanship that came to typify his group D12's output.
Proof was best known as a battle rapper and a freestyle rapper, and his hosting gigs at Detroit's famed Hip-Hop Shop in the mid-'90s helped lay the groundwork for what would eventually become the city's celebrated hip-hop scene, immortalized on screen in 2002's "8 Mile."
While hip-hop lyrics tend to deal with violence in graphic detail, its artists defend the content by saying they're rapping about what they see day-to-day.
Detroit rapper Hush said when he raps about violent themes his intention is to teach about violence, not glorify it.
"The audience is supposed to take that and learn from it," said the rapper, whose album "Bulletproof" was released last year. "But if some kid hears it, thinks it's cool and decides to do it himself, it's the total opposite of what it's supposed to do."
Proof worked to mend fences
Though D12 and Proof had their share of rivalries with various rap crews, Proof had worked recently to eliminate those beefs from his career.
Proof recently jumped onstage with L.A. rap crew Dialated Peoples in Arizona as a sign that their one-time feud was over, and he also recorded a track with Insane Clown Posse proteges Twiztid, signaling the end of the longstanding feud between Eminem's and ICP's camps.
Still, not all of his outstanding beefs were quashed.
Jerome Almon, executive producer of Detroit rap group Blakk Attakk, said he and his crew were not friendly with Proof and D12.
"We don't like each other, everybody knows that," said Almon, 29, of Detroit. "But not in the terms where we are haters. We recognize that they made it."
More than a victim of hip-hop's violent tendencies, Almon said, Proof is a casualty of the city.
"You have to avoid Detroit when you get famous. If you go to any other city, Atlanta, L.A., there's a rap 'industry,' they do cooperate. Here, it's cannibalism. It's like no other place in America. Although we have hip-hop summits here and the 'hip-hop mayor,' there is beef that's going on, and nobody has addressed it."
Violence hits Detroit rappers
Indeed, violence has marred Detroit's hip-hop community on a number of occasions. Blade Icewood, a budding Detroit rapper, was gunned down in April 2005 on west Seven Mile and Faust. In May 1999, Detroit rapper Bugz (real name Karnail Pitts), an early member of D12, was shot and killed right around the time Eminem's career started to take off.
"Detroit is filled with a lot of ignorant, jealous, envious people," said Detroit rapper Phat Kat, who had known Proof for more than a decade, speaking about Detroit's various rap circles and those loosely affiliated with the scene. "If they think you've got a smidgeon of success, they can come try to take it. Detroit is really a sad place all around. It's just disgusting."
Christopher Chouinard, 35, of Hamtramck says he went to a local rap release party on Saturday night, and the guests were brandishing weapons and waving them about.
"It's not shocking that violence occurs, it's shocking how the rappers, once established, continue to live the lifestyle instead of moving away from it, seeing the destruction it leaves," he said
Rap, murders unrelated
Still, MC Serch, former morning man at WJLB-FM (97.9) says Proof's murder didn't have anything to do with hip-hop.
"It wouldn't have mattered if he was a fireman, policeman, garbageman," he said. "The music he made didn't have anything to do with this. We live in a violent community, and gun violence happens every day. To say it was rap violence is just ridiculous."
MTV's Calloway said the shooting is a black eye for Detroit.
"That's a bad look," he said. "That kind of sets everybody back a few steps, especially for Detroit. There ain't a whole lot of other reasons why people would come to Detroit. When (something like this happens), it hurts that city, hurts that region."
"Proof's death is an example of the violence claiming the lives of a lot of young black men all over America, not just rappers," said Mister Mann Frisby, 31, a Philadelphia-based author, who wrote a book about young black men in America. "For every rapper who gets shot and killed there are 300 nameless young black men who die the same way."
Proof, 32, whose real name was Deshaun Holton, was an integral member of Detroit's hip-hop community and superstar rapper Eminem's right-hand man. He was gunned down around 4:30 a.m. Tuesday at the CCC nightclub on Eight Mile on Detroit's east side. Police said Proof was shot after shooting a man at the club. The investigation continues.
Proof was the second member of superstar rapper Eminem's entourage to be shot in Detroit within four months. Obie Trice was shot in the head New Year's Eve while driving on the Lodge Freeway but has recovered. Nationally, hip-hop superstars Tupac Shakur, the Notorious B.I.G., and Run DMC's Jam Master Jay were shot to death in the last decade.
In an eerie coincidence, Proof was shot and killed in Eminem's 2005 music video for "Like Toy Soldiers," a song that warns against hip-hop wars escalating into real life violence. The video shows a bloodied Proof lying in a hospital bed while doctors try to revive him, and also depicts the rapper's funeral.
Proof also prophesied his death on "No T. Lose," a track from his 2005 solo album "Searching for Jerry Garcia," rapping, "Broken hearted, my soul's like an open target/ And I'm ready to leave Earth, you step to my death next year on my T-shirt."
Jake Hill interviewed Proof a month ago for a story in Detroit Rock City magazine that hits newsstands this week. He said Proof knew violence was a part of life, but he never worried about it.
"I think it's a Detroit thing, honestly," Proof said, addressing Trice's shooting in the interview.
'Microcosm of society'
MTV News correspondent Sway Calloway said some people might question how smart it was for Proof to be hanging out in a club at such a late hour. But he said the issue is deeper than a hip-hop lifestyle leading to violence.
"Hip-hop is a microcosm of society as a whole," said Calloway, in Los Angeles on Tuesday. "And especially in urban areas, we're constantly trying to prove our bravado by brute force and by physical force, but we never think to tap into our intelligence to deal with conflict and confrontation."
Proof was not a gangsta rapper, per se. He did rap about violence, but mostly in a cartoonish manner of one-upmanship that came to typify his group D12's output.
Proof was best known as a battle rapper and a freestyle rapper, and his hosting gigs at Detroit's famed Hip-Hop Shop in the mid-'90s helped lay the groundwork for what would eventually become the city's celebrated hip-hop scene, immortalized on screen in 2002's "8 Mile."
While hip-hop lyrics tend to deal with violence in graphic detail, its artists defend the content by saying they're rapping about what they see day-to-day.
Detroit rapper Hush said when he raps about violent themes his intention is to teach about violence, not glorify it.
"The audience is supposed to take that and learn from it," said the rapper, whose album "Bulletproof" was released last year. "But if some kid hears it, thinks it's cool and decides to do it himself, it's the total opposite of what it's supposed to do."
Proof worked to mend fences
Though D12 and Proof had their share of rivalries with various rap crews, Proof had worked recently to eliminate those beefs from his career.
Proof recently jumped onstage with L.A. rap crew Dialated Peoples in Arizona as a sign that their one-time feud was over, and he also recorded a track with Insane Clown Posse proteges Twiztid, signaling the end of the longstanding feud between Eminem's and ICP's camps.
Still, not all of his outstanding beefs were quashed.
Jerome Almon, executive producer of Detroit rap group Blakk Attakk, said he and his crew were not friendly with Proof and D12.
"We don't like each other, everybody knows that," said Almon, 29, of Detroit. "But not in the terms where we are haters. We recognize that they made it."
More than a victim of hip-hop's violent tendencies, Almon said, Proof is a casualty of the city.
"You have to avoid Detroit when you get famous. If you go to any other city, Atlanta, L.A., there's a rap 'industry,' they do cooperate. Here, it's cannibalism. It's like no other place in America. Although we have hip-hop summits here and the 'hip-hop mayor,' there is beef that's going on, and nobody has addressed it."
Violence hits Detroit rappers
Indeed, violence has marred Detroit's hip-hop community on a number of occasions. Blade Icewood, a budding Detroit rapper, was gunned down in April 2005 on west Seven Mile and Faust. In May 1999, Detroit rapper Bugz (real name Karnail Pitts), an early member of D12, was shot and killed right around the time Eminem's career started to take off.
"Detroit is filled with a lot of ignorant, jealous, envious people," said Detroit rapper Phat Kat, who had known Proof for more than a decade, speaking about Detroit's various rap circles and those loosely affiliated with the scene. "If they think you've got a smidgeon of success, they can come try to take it. Detroit is really a sad place all around. It's just disgusting."
Christopher Chouinard, 35, of Hamtramck says he went to a local rap release party on Saturday night, and the guests were brandishing weapons and waving them about.
"It's not shocking that violence occurs, it's shocking how the rappers, once established, continue to live the lifestyle instead of moving away from it, seeing the destruction it leaves," he said
Rap, murders unrelated
Still, MC Serch, former morning man at WJLB-FM (97.9) says Proof's murder didn't have anything to do with hip-hop.
"It wouldn't have mattered if he was a fireman, policeman, garbageman," he said. "The music he made didn't have anything to do with this. We live in a violent community, and gun violence happens every day. To say it was rap violence is just ridiculous."
MTV's Calloway said the shooting is a black eye for Detroit.
"That's a bad look," he said. "That kind of sets everybody back a few steps, especially for Detroit. There ain't a whole lot of other reasons why people would come to Detroit. When (something like this happens), it hurts that city, hurts that region."
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Well, ce mai poti sa zici... nu ma refer la Proof ci la comunitatea hh americana - "live by the sword, die by the sword" - un citat din biblie parafrazat si glorificat absolut aiurea. Nu e nici o mandrie sa mori din cauza unei piese sau a unui beef. E doar stupid.
See this rap thing is all about the the bragadoccio
I check my rearview, emcees ain't gettin closer
I check my rearview, emcees ain't gettin closer
IN MEMORY OF BIG PROOF! REST IN PEACE! 
Proof feat. Konartis - By Myself
Proof - Up In Here (We Run This)
Proof - feat. Haesta Hendin - Red Light in the Bar
Proof - Many Men (Wish Death) remix
Proof - Waitin' On Death
//
Promatic - Promatic

1. The Adventure Begins
2. Everyday
3. City Of Boom
4. 313000
5. Take No Shorts
6. Feels Good
7. Lesbian
8. Life
9. Do What I Wanna Do
10. Tear This Bitch Up
11. Ecstacy
12. Change Of Hoe
13. Got Yo Bitch
14. Dirtiest Grimiest
15. Long Road
16. Graduation
//
Proof : Electric Coolaid: Acid Testing

1. Broken
2. Dirty
3. One Two
4. Dirty Harry
5. X Fam
6. Places I've been
//
Proof - I Miss the Hip-Hop Shop

1. Intro (skit) (not rated)
2. E and 1 Equals None (3.5 stars)
3. Yzarc (5 stars)
4. Derty Harry (5 stars)
5. People For Hi Change (1 star)
6. Neil Armstrong (5 stars)
7. Broken (5 stars)
8. Runnin??€� Yo Mouth (3 stars)
9. Shake Dat Donkey (1 star)
10. Dolo Speaks (skit) (not rated)
11. Know Ya Name (2 stars)
12. Play With Myself (2 stars)
13. You Know How 2 (3.5 stars)
14. It Aint About That (5 stars)
15. Cross the Line (4 stars)
16. Bring it 2 Me (3 stars)
17. Ja in a Bra (5 stars)
18. Nowhere Fast (3.5 stars)
19. Love Letters (5 stars)
//
Big Proof - Grown Man Shit (Mixtape)

//
Proof - Searchin' For Jerry Garcia

1. Knice 1:22
2. Clap Wit Me 2:41
3. Biboa's Theme 3:11
4. When God Calls 0:29
5. Forgive Ft. 50 Cent 4:12
6. Purple Gang 3:36
7. Nat Morris 0:34
8. Gurls Wit Da Boom 4:01
9. High Rollers Ft. B-Real, Method Man 3:40
10. Rondell Beene 1:20
11. Pimplikeness Ft. D-12 5:10
12. Ali Ft. MC Breed 3:38
13. No. T. Lose Ft. King Gordy 3:30
14. Jump Biatch 3:34
15. M.A.D. Ft. Rude Jude 3:26
16. 72 & Central Ft. Obie Trice, J-Hill 4:53
17. Sammy Da Bull Ft. Nate Dogg, Swiffy McVay 4:48
18. Black Wrist Bro's Ft. 1st Born 3:22
19. Slum Elementz Ft. T3 Of Slum Village, Madd Of 3:57
5ela
20. Kurt Kobian 4:50

Proof feat. Konartis - By Myself
Proof - Up In Here (We Run This)
Proof - feat. Haesta Hendin - Red Light in the Bar
Proof - Many Men (Wish Death) remix
Proof - Waitin' On Death
//
Promatic - Promatic

1. The Adventure Begins
2. Everyday
3. City Of Boom
4. 313000
5. Take No Shorts
6. Feels Good
7. Lesbian
8. Life
9. Do What I Wanna Do
10. Tear This Bitch Up
11. Ecstacy
12. Change Of Hoe
13. Got Yo Bitch
14. Dirtiest Grimiest
15. Long Road
16. Graduation
//
Proof : Electric Coolaid: Acid Testing

1. Broken
2. Dirty
3. One Two
4. Dirty Harry
5. X Fam
6. Places I've been
//
Proof - I Miss the Hip-Hop Shop

1. Intro (skit) (not rated)
2. E and 1 Equals None (3.5 stars)
3. Yzarc (5 stars)
4. Derty Harry (5 stars)
5. People For Hi Change (1 star)
6. Neil Armstrong (5 stars)
7. Broken (5 stars)
8. Runnin??€� Yo Mouth (3 stars)
9. Shake Dat Donkey (1 star)
10. Dolo Speaks (skit) (not rated)
11. Know Ya Name (2 stars)
12. Play With Myself (2 stars)
13. You Know How 2 (3.5 stars)
14. It Aint About That (5 stars)
15. Cross the Line (4 stars)
16. Bring it 2 Me (3 stars)
17. Ja in a Bra (5 stars)
18. Nowhere Fast (3.5 stars)
19. Love Letters (5 stars)
//
Big Proof - Grown Man Shit (Mixtape)

//
Proof - Searchin' For Jerry Garcia

1. Knice 1:22
2. Clap Wit Me 2:41
3. Biboa's Theme 3:11
4. When God Calls 0:29
5. Forgive Ft. 50 Cent 4:12
6. Purple Gang 3:36
7. Nat Morris 0:34
8. Gurls Wit Da Boom 4:01
9. High Rollers Ft. B-Real, Method Man 3:40
10. Rondell Beene 1:20
11. Pimplikeness Ft. D-12 5:10
12. Ali Ft. MC Breed 3:38
13. No. T. Lose Ft. King Gordy 3:30
14. Jump Biatch 3:34
15. M.A.D. Ft. Rude Jude 3:26
16. 72 & Central Ft. Obie Trice, J-Hill 4:53
17. Sammy Da Bull Ft. Nate Dogg, Swiffy McVay 4:48
18. Black Wrist Bro's Ft. 1st Born 3:22
19. Slum Elementz Ft. T3 Of Slum Village, Madd Of 3:57
5ela
20. Kurt Kobian 4:50
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Proof Old Crew + J Dilla - 5 Elementz -1996
01. Mo News (interlude)
02. Whutchawant
03. Feedback
04. Rockshows
05. Bumpinsumtin
06. Get Off My
07. Party Groove
08. Janet Jacme
09. Mo News (interlude)
10. Mo News (interlude)
11. Ego
12. Don't Stop
13. World Premier
14. Tha Elementz
15. Searchin
16. Crazze
17. Mo News (interlude)
18. 98 Neva Seen
http://www.rapidsharing.com/42366054208 ... 2b695de342
parola e expert
albumul nu e prin magazine sau chestii
J Dilla a facut productia
01. Mo News (interlude)
02. Whutchawant
03. Feedback
04. Rockshows
05. Bumpinsumtin
06. Get Off My
07. Party Groove
08. Janet Jacme
09. Mo News (interlude)
10. Mo News (interlude)
11. Ego
12. Don't Stop
13. World Premier
14. Tha Elementz
15. Searchin
16. Crazze
17. Mo News (interlude)
18. 98 Neva Seen
http://www.rapidsharing.com/42366054208 ... 2b695de342
parola e expert
albumul nu e prin magazine sau chestii
J Dilla a facut productia
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Proof - A Tribute to Proof
01. kurt kobain
02. derty harry
03. ali (ft mc breed)
04. our time (ft chino xl)
05. forgive me (ft 50 cent)
06. cross tha line
07. biboa's theme
08. bring it to me (ft killa khann)
09. slumz elementz (ft t3 & mudd)
10. yzark
11. 72nd & central (ft obie trice & j.hill)
12. nowhere fast (ft dogmatic)
13. high rollers (ft b-real & method man)
14. ja in a bra
15. black wrist bros (ft 1st born)
16. broken (ft journalist & mu)
17. when the music stops (ft d12)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IHO1RDEJ
01. kurt kobain
02. derty harry
03. ali (ft mc breed)
04. our time (ft chino xl)
05. forgive me (ft 50 cent)
06. cross tha line
07. biboa's theme
08. bring it to me (ft killa khann)
09. slumz elementz (ft t3 & mudd)
10. yzark
11. 72nd & central (ft obie trice & j.hill)
12. nowhere fast (ft dogmatic)
13. high rollers (ft b-real & method man)
14. ja in a bra
15. black wrist bros (ft 1st born)
16. broken (ft journalist & mu)
17. when the music stops (ft d12)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IHO1RDEJ
O sursa ce a dorit sa ramana anonima a relatat ca Proof se afla in acea seara, in clubul ??€?Triple C??€? din Detroit.
S-a iscat o cearta intre el si un bodyguard al clubului. Proof a fost impuscat si omorat pe data de 11 aprilie, dimineata in jurul orei 4:30, bodyguard-ul si Proof avand rani serioase la cap de la impuscaturi.
??€?Proof l-a pus pe bodyguard la pamant, el aflandu-se deasupra lui, tinand un pistol indreptat spre fata acestuia??€?, a mai adaugat o sursa apropiata lui Proof. ??€?Proof a tras primul. Cel care a tras in Proof nu a fost bodyguard-ul de la pamant ci alt bodyguard. Proof a fost impuscat de 4 ori, de doua ori in cap si de doua ori in zona stomacului.??€?
Politia l-a identificat pe bodyguard ca fiind Keith Bender. Bender este in viata, dar in stare critica. ??€?Bender se afla in spital, conectat la aparatele medicale. Medicii nu-i dau prea multe sanse??€?, a spusa sursa.
Anchetatorii inca pun cap la cap fiecare element al ??€?evenimentului??€?.
Politia a fost chemata in acel club de vreo 18 ori in ultimii 10 ani. In club si in imprejurimile acestuia au mai avut loc doua incidente, schimburi de focuri de arma in ultimii ani.
Clubul nu detine inregistrari video din seara cu pricina, a mai spus politia.
MC-ul, numele sau real fiind Deshaun Holton, a lasat in urma sa 5 copii fara tata.
http://www.hiphopboard.net/2006/04/12/e ... lui-proof/
S-a iscat o cearta intre el si un bodyguard al clubului. Proof a fost impuscat si omorat pe data de 11 aprilie, dimineata in jurul orei 4:30, bodyguard-ul si Proof avand rani serioase la cap de la impuscaturi.
??€?Proof l-a pus pe bodyguard la pamant, el aflandu-se deasupra lui, tinand un pistol indreptat spre fata acestuia??€?, a mai adaugat o sursa apropiata lui Proof. ??€?Proof a tras primul. Cel care a tras in Proof nu a fost bodyguard-ul de la pamant ci alt bodyguard. Proof a fost impuscat de 4 ori, de doua ori in cap si de doua ori in zona stomacului.??€?
Politia l-a identificat pe bodyguard ca fiind Keith Bender. Bender este in viata, dar in stare critica. ??€?Bender se afla in spital, conectat la aparatele medicale. Medicii nu-i dau prea multe sanse??€?, a spusa sursa.
Anchetatorii inca pun cap la cap fiecare element al ??€?evenimentului??€?.
Politia a fost chemata in acel club de vreo 18 ori in ultimii 10 ani. In club si in imprejurimile acestuia au mai avut loc doua incidente, schimburi de focuri de arma in ultimii ani.
Clubul nu detine inregistrari video din seara cu pricina, a mai spus politia.
MC-ul, numele sau real fiind Deshaun Holton, a lasat in urma sa 5 copii fara tata.
http://www.hiphopboard.net/2006/04/12/e ... lui-proof/
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