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haha. ce-am ras aici. nu-i ma valabila ideea cu gusturile, pe forum se disputa, si atat.

Sunt cu Skid, ca sa nu mai repet si eu aceeasi idee. Toti idolii vostri o sa scoata la un moment dat un material in genul lui Shadow, fiecare pe sectiunea lui.
Iar acum daca va zic ca Krush, anul trecut, a inceput cu d'n'b-ul, pentru voi, a murit Krush, nu?
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Cine mai e si Krush ? :lol:
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Sun|Rah wrote:haha. ce-am ras aici. nu-i ma valabila ideea cu gusturile, pe forum se disputa, si atat.

Sunt cu Skid, ca sa nu mai repet si eu aceeasi idee. Toti idolii vostri o sa scoata la un moment dat un material in genul lui Shadow, fiecare pe sectiunea lui.
Iar acum daca va zic ca Krush, anul trecut, a inceput cu d'n'b-ul, pentru voi, a murit Krush, nu?
N'a murit, da' nu ma incalzeste d'n'b'ul, deci nu imi mai este de folos Krush :P
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ia nu te mai pregati tu ..e o discutie contradictorie ONtopic care merge oke pana acum
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Krush a avut doar vreo 2-3 remixuri mai "sparte" pe Stepping Stones, care au adaugat ceva varietate.
nu inseamna ca s'a dat pe d'n'b sau nu stiu ce. desi pe urmatorul album s'ar putea sa avem surprize.
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materiale audio nici eu n-am prea ascultat.
oricum, am vazut 3 concerte d'n'b' semnate Krush / 2006.
ultimul albumul (shadow), pentru ce vrea el sa fie, e chiar ok. unele piese imi plac si nu's in genul meu. anul asta s-a exagerat din multe puncte de vedere. sunt multe albume bune, care o sa le asculte pustanii peste 20 de ani. cand, o sa downloadeze si ei valuri de albume, cred ca e ok. the best kept secret, e inca secret, nu-l prea comenteaza lumea. bun album. nu-mi vine sa cred cand l-aud pe Keith!
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"the outsider" e muci - un album facut din topor care vrea sa para cat mai 'eclectic' dar nu reuseste sa acopere nimic asa cum trebuie. sequencing la pamant, productie mediocra, cu exceptia catorva "hyphe"-uri.

offtop: daca krush baga dnb-uri live, nu inseamna nimic. asa si tobin mixeaza darkstep si neurofunk, si tocmai a scos ceva cu totul diferit.
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nu inseamna nimic pentru tine.
ma refeream la perspectiva unui ascultator clasic de hip hop, care, evident, nu admite asa ceva, orice ar fi.
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ok, desi asta nu'i motivul ptr care "outsider" a fost criticat: ca a adus ceva nou. daca ar fi pastrat linia de inceput, poate ca ar fi iesit un album bun de hyphe. dar asa cum e, numai zurgalai se cheama. compara atmosfera, sequencing-ul (aka coeziunea) si productia de pe "outsider" cu aia de pe "endtroducing" sau "psyence fiction". si o sa vezi ca nu eclectismul in sine e de vina (el a fost mereu eclectic, intr'un fel sau altul), ci eclectismul fortat, cam tras de par.
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gresesti din start comparand meniul din "endtroducing" cu cel de pe "the outsider".
nu ma dau in vant dupa albumul asta, dar e ascultabil, decent cum s-ar zice.
In majoritatea cazurilor, persoanele ce asculta "underground", atunci cand artistul foloseste sunetele reprezentative pentru "comercial" sunt direct si iremediabil dezamagiti.
Mie-mi place cum a folosit sunetele, chiar daca acestea nu sunt tocmai preferate de mine, dar probabil sunt percepute si apreciate de un alt public. Asta nu inseamna ca shadow e gata, "pana aici". chill. Vroia sa imprime un "adrenaline rush" in urechea ascultatorului, bineinteles, in urechile care permit asta.
Cu "Psyence Fiction" poti sa-l compari, elementele rock au patruns in ambele, iar "Psyence Fiction" e intr-adevar mult mai reusit. Are momente bune pe album, nu cred ca shadow isi dorea sa atinga altceva cu el, gandidu-ma la cati invitati sunt. constrans de lipsa banilor? naw. e ok c-a incercat asta si si-a facut damblaua. nu visez la o clona endtroducing, care oricum, avand in vedere ca toti sunt cu ochii pe el in ce priveste samplatul nu mai e posibila, omul e capabil de ceva mult mai bun, dar mai altfel. sper s-o si faca.
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Dj Shadow e foarte tare dupa parerea mea...reprezinta foarte bine acolo unde reprezinta...
Cum am spus si-n posturile precedente,ar fi bine sa ne vedem de treaba noastra,de muzica noastra si sa nu mai vorbim aiurea despre ce nu cunoastem. Aviz amatorilor si forumistilor ! Muzica se imparte in 2 categorii in viziunea mea : Muzica buna si Muzica Proasta. Fiekare face absolut ce vrea...daka omu' vrea sa combine hip-hopul cu d'n'b'-ul si cu rockul si cu reggae-ul foarte bine...daka produsul scos de el este bun calitativ...atunci foarte bine...multi gandesc asa...daka stai ani de zile in "andargraund" si nimeni nu te cunoaste,si te apreciaza 2-300 de insi ( asta e cazul in Romania,ca-n afara creste pana la cateva mii ) trebuie totusi sa-ti schimbi un pic stilul de a aborda problema,asa cum stii tu mai bine,daka-ti iese..bine...daka nu-ti iese..iarasi bine...mai stai un an,doi pe tusa,lucrezi la alt produs,si apoi vii si rupi capetele publicului....

Dj Shadow nu poate fi pe gustul oricarui om,sunt constient si de lucrul asta,dar daka tot nu ne place,makar sa dam niste argumente pertinente care sa sustina acest fapt. Propun ca cei care critica la modul asta sa se uite un pik in ograda lor,ca poate mai au ceva de reparat si niste mizerie de curatat...
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RapReviews.com wrote: DJ Shadow has always been known for his experimental forays into the hip-hop world. On one hand, Shadow is true school, tending to stick with the old school boom-bap beats and good old fashioned DJing. On the other hand, Shadow is also not afraid to do something new, getting attention for integrating visual shows into his DJ sets for a truly unique experience. Shadow will surely surprise fans again with "The Outside," but not for the expected reason. Shadow's latest album is surprising because it tends to be a straight forward rap record. There's nothing abstract, new, or that different about any of Shadow's beats, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

If the fact that Shadow takes the straightforward approach on the beats isn't enough, the rappers he chooses to collaborate with are also unexpected. E-40, The Federation, Mistah Fab, Keak The Sneak, and Turf Talk make up the bulk of the rap appearances and represent Hyphy to the fullest. DJ Shadow performs well in crafting beats for the Bay-area's uptempo dance genre. "3 Freaks" is trunk-rattling party that features hard bass and sparse instruments. Keak The Sneak is in top form (love him or hate him). The remix is handled by Droop-E (E-40's son) and isn't nearly as good as the original, though the additional verses are appreciated, especially Mistah Fab's. "Turf Dancing" is another dope track, but follows the same structural formula as "3 Freaks" (drums and sound effects during the verses, synths kicking in for the hook). E-40 drops in for "Dat's My Part," another solid Hyphy track, but Shadow's Hyphy doesn't sound as dope or original after the third go round.

Non-Hyphy rappers also make appearances on the album. Newcomer Nump drops "Keep Em Close" but isn't all that great of a rapper and Shadow's beat is nothing fresh either. Q-Tip and Lateef show up on "Enuff," an uninspired dance track. Phonte Coleman makes things interesting on "Backstage Girl." The song could have been disastrous with a 7 minute running time, but the breaks in the track are enough to make this cautionary groupie tale a worthy listen. The album's best rap track comes in the form of David Banner's "Seein Thangs." I'll admit that I have a small bias towards David Banner, but it's hard not to like the guy with verses like this:

"In a Chevy, I'm wondering if the Feds broke the levee
Are they in with the devil to control the weather
Hurricanes and typhoons every other week
While po' folks is drowning in the middle of the streets
You too scared to speak, or too busy on the internet
I heard they bout to put lojacks in our kid's necks
Martial law, tell bush, nah we ain't ready to flip
The hood is like a modern slave ship
We packed like sardines and shackled to the streets
And crack is cotton that grows up from the concrete
Shit, but I guess I'm seeing thangs
We'd rather not learn, we'd rather fuck and gang bang"

On top of being the album's only track with a real message behind it, the beat by Shadow is outstanding. It has a distinctly southern sound, but Shadow also infuses some soul into the mix by infusing the synths with emotion through the use of dynamics.

The rest of the album isn't of much interest to rap fans as Shadow either sticks to instrumentals or brings in vocalists to lend a hand. The intro is interesting, sounding like a speech out of "V For Vendetta," but once you hear the rest of the album it ends up being overly dramatic. The only singer who caught my ear was the guy on "This Time (I'm Gonna Try It My Way)" who ends up being uncredited in the liner notes. The rest of the singers are on some abstract tip and I like my R&B simple and relevant.

Shadow's performance on "The Outsider" is not disappointing. He comes through with some tight beats and helps make some certified bangers. Where Shadow fails is in making a solid album overall. Despite the presence of some must-hear rap tracks, it's hard to justify the purchase if you are paying for only about half an album. Shadow's collaboration with non-rap acts aren't all that bad but are catered to an entirely different audience. Even within Shadow's rap collaborations, the styles are so different that it's hard to predict who would like what. Shadow's beats are good for what they are, but they aren't the type to compel a fan to listen to tracks they don't like simply for the music. I'm a big fan of expanding horizons and not limiting acts to one sound or style, but in this case Shadow may have made things to varied. There's definitely some dope tracks here that any rap fan should feel, but be advised that you'll be paying full price for a half full bag of raps.

Music Vibes: 7 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 7 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 7 of 10
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Sun|Rah wrote:gresesti din start comparand meniul din "endtroducing" cu cel de pe "the outsider".

n'am comparat nici un drac - ziceam doar sa urmaresti niste criterii,
unele si aceleasi, universale, cu privire la albumele lui shadow,
ca sa iti dai seama de ce a fost apreciat, respectiv criticat.

na, in fine, cred ca ma opresc aici.. nu prea vorbim aceeasi limba.




p.s. Mallone: esti FOARTE offtopic.
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doru649 wrote:
Sun|Rah wrote:gresesti din start comparand meniul din "endtroducing" cu cel de pe "the outsider".
n'am comparat nici un drac - ziceam doar sa urmaresti niste criterii,
unele si aceleasi, universale, cu privire la albumele lui shadow,
ca sa iti dai seama de ce a fost apreciat, respectiv criticat.

na, in fine, cred ca ma opresc aici.. nu prea vorbim aceeasi limba.
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doru649 wrote:compara atmosfera, sequencing-ul (aka coeziunea) si productia de pe "outsider" cu aia de pe "endtroducing"
lasa criteriile, sunt diferite. spunandu-mi mie sa fac aceasta comparatie, ca sa-mi dau seama de ce a fost/este apreciat, criticat, presupun ca si tu ai facut-o.. COMPARATIA. daca am face asta, 70% din artistii care inca produc albume ar fi in dezavantaj. albumul l-ai luat, l-ai ascultat si cu asta basta. anii astia fac parte din procesul de transfromare al hip hop-ului, e ok, trebuie sa trecem la altceva, si unii asta fac, aveti rabdare, nu iese tot timpul din prima. sau poate era mai bine sa nu iasa nimic.

ok, daca nu sunt pe intelesul tau, o sa continuam cand voi invata ce inseamna a compara.
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Sun|Rah wrote:albumul l-ai luat, l-ai ascultat si cu asta basta.
pai daca la asta se rezuma totul,
zi asa din start, sa nu mai mai scriu degeaba.

daca nu poti sa sesizezi rupturi masive in "the ousider";
daca crezi ca totul merge struna si e un material de prima mana,
asa sa fie si cu asta basta.
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