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Nu stiu ce se spune, dar se zice prost. Nas nu are albume proaste. El a intampinat aceeasi problema ca si Jay-Z, Dilated s.a.m.d. A scos niste albume extrem de bune, iar celalalte stau in umbra lor. Asta nu inseamna ca sunt slabe.. cel putin nu din punctul meu de vedere. Citeste-mi postul de aici si-ai sa observi ca aceeasi problema o regasesti si la Nas!
you just never know when you're living in a golden age.
ma rog, lucrurile evolueaza intr-o directie. mie sincer imi place illmatic foarte mult. pentru mine hiphop-ul se imparte intre pre-illmatic si post-illmatic. si acum il ascult de 2-3ori pe zi de la cap la coada. dar daca stam un pic sa ne gandim, de fapt cam toate albumele lui sunt clasice.
are cineva ceva informatii despre beef-urile cu big si tupac ?
auzisem la un moment dat ca se impacase cu tupac chiar inainte de 7sept 1996, daca nu ma insel asta se intampla undeva la niste premii (mtv/bet music awards ?!) tu stii ceva despre asta, sun ?
are cineva ceva informatii despre beef-urile cu big si tupac ?
auzisem la un moment dat ca se impacase cu tupac chiar inainte de 7sept 1996, daca nu ma insel asta se intampla undeva la niste premii (mtv/bet music awards ?!) tu stii ceva despre asta, sun ?
e m p t y.
La mine hip hop'ul se imparte in Golden si-n Silber Era!
Ca sa ramanem ontopic, discutam mai bine despre Nas si ale sale beff'uri, sunt vreo 5 la numar daca nu ma insel. Concordanta sta in faptul ca Nas s-a implicat in razboiul ce-l ducea TuPac [WEST] cu Biggie [EAST], ceea ce lui TuPac ii displacea, fiindca Nas nu avea nici o legatura cu asta, si din punctul lui de vedere trebuia sa-si vada de ale lui, lasandu-i cu problemele lor. Probabil toti dintre voi cunoasteti TuPac's Later, extraordinara piesa, poate chiar preferata mea de la TuPac!
Nas s-a intalnit cu TuPac la House of Blues, unde-au discutat deschis despre asta, TuPac spunandu-i ca atat el, cat si intregul Death Row nu ii poarta decat love & respect! Dupa care, ascultand TuPac din intamplare arhicunoscuta piesa The Message in care Nas canta despre Fake Thugs, aparent i s-a parut ca face referire la el, bineinteles ca acesta nu era singurul motiv, TuPac fiind persoana care re-prezenta lumii tema Thug Life. Apoi acesta ce-a putut face decat a-l acuza pe Nas ca ii fura stilul.
Urmeaza fazele cu videoclipul Hate Me Now care n-are rost sa-l mai descriu odata, voi stiind sigur care au fost divergentele generate de modalitatea de expunere a acestuia. TuPac urmand sa-l dissuie pe Nas pe piesa Against all Odds, spunandu-i: This little nigga named Nas thinks he live like me / Talkin' bout he left the hospital took five like me / You living fantasies, nigga I reject your deposit / We shook Dre punk ass, now we out of the closet | God don't like ugly, It was Written / Hey Nas, your whole damn style is bitten / You heard my melody, read about my life in the papers / All my run-ins with authorities, felonious capers / Now you wanna live my life, so what's the answer Nas? / Niggas that don't rhyme right, you've seen too manu movies / Load em up against the wall, close his eyes / Since you lie you die, GOODBYE / Let the real live niggas hear the truth from me / What would you do if you was me nigga! Daca exista greseli imi cer scuze, am copiat lirica dintr-o revista mai veche ea asa.
Ce-ar mai fi de spus e ca, TuPas l-a atacat pe Nas si-n doua inerviuri, unul dintre ele este acela despre Death Row East. Grandioasa publicitate s-a facut in mare parte dupa moartea lui TuPac, chiar inainte de a iesi oficial pe piata Better Days. Motivum pentru care tamtam'ul a avut loc abia atunci a fost ca pe acel album exista piesa Thugz Mansion Acoustic, care era un featuring cu Nas, fanii evident ramanand suspendati neputandu-si explica fenomenul!!! Nas tot timpul a incercat sa convinga majoritatea ca divergentele lui cu TuPac au fost tot timpul chill asa, in comparatie cu altele care s-au sfarsit cu probleme grave de sanatate sau chiar si cu moartea. Snoop si multi altii au fost si inca sunt de alta parere.
Ceea ce e de retinut este ca, Nas nu l-a denigrat niciodata, nu si-a pierdut respectul pentru TuPas dupa moartea acestuia, precum au facut LL Cool J. sau Mobb Deep. Nas a spus public ca probleme lui cu TuPac s-au rezolvat inainte de moartea lui TuPac, mai exact in octombrie 2001. Mai transcriu un citat si cu asta inchei: Man, Pac was my peoples. I had nothing but love for this cat. First time I seen him we cracked a Henny and he turned it to the head. It made me cry, I mean, I was drunk when I heard him talking about me on Makaveli. We met, it almost got ugly, but we made peace.
Acum trebuie sa plec cat mai e soare afara, vor urma si celalalte, adica Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Benzino...
Ca sa ramanem ontopic, discutam mai bine despre Nas si ale sale beff'uri, sunt vreo 5 la numar daca nu ma insel. Concordanta sta in faptul ca Nas s-a implicat in razboiul ce-l ducea TuPac [WEST] cu Biggie [EAST], ceea ce lui TuPac ii displacea, fiindca Nas nu avea nici o legatura cu asta, si din punctul lui de vedere trebuia sa-si vada de ale lui, lasandu-i cu problemele lor. Probabil toti dintre voi cunoasteti TuPac's Later, extraordinara piesa, poate chiar preferata mea de la TuPac!
Nas s-a intalnit cu TuPac la House of Blues, unde-au discutat deschis despre asta, TuPac spunandu-i ca atat el, cat si intregul Death Row nu ii poarta decat love & respect! Dupa care, ascultand TuPac din intamplare arhicunoscuta piesa The Message in care Nas canta despre Fake Thugs, aparent i s-a parut ca face referire la el, bineinteles ca acesta nu era singurul motiv, TuPac fiind persoana care re-prezenta lumii tema Thug Life. Apoi acesta ce-a putut face decat a-l acuza pe Nas ca ii fura stilul.
Urmeaza fazele cu videoclipul Hate Me Now care n-are rost sa-l mai descriu odata, voi stiind sigur care au fost divergentele generate de modalitatea de expunere a acestuia. TuPac urmand sa-l dissuie pe Nas pe piesa Against all Odds, spunandu-i: This little nigga named Nas thinks he live like me / Talkin' bout he left the hospital took five like me / You living fantasies, nigga I reject your deposit / We shook Dre punk ass, now we out of the closet | God don't like ugly, It was Written / Hey Nas, your whole damn style is bitten / You heard my melody, read about my life in the papers / All my run-ins with authorities, felonious capers / Now you wanna live my life, so what's the answer Nas? / Niggas that don't rhyme right, you've seen too manu movies / Load em up against the wall, close his eyes / Since you lie you die, GOODBYE / Let the real live niggas hear the truth from me / What would you do if you was me nigga! Daca exista greseli imi cer scuze, am copiat lirica dintr-o revista mai veche ea asa.
Ce-ar mai fi de spus e ca, TuPas l-a atacat pe Nas si-n doua inerviuri, unul dintre ele este acela despre Death Row East. Grandioasa publicitate s-a facut in mare parte dupa moartea lui TuPac, chiar inainte de a iesi oficial pe piata Better Days. Motivum pentru care tamtam'ul a avut loc abia atunci a fost ca pe acel album exista piesa Thugz Mansion Acoustic, care era un featuring cu Nas, fanii evident ramanand suspendati neputandu-si explica fenomenul!!! Nas tot timpul a incercat sa convinga majoritatea ca divergentele lui cu TuPac au fost tot timpul chill asa, in comparatie cu altele care s-au sfarsit cu probleme grave de sanatate sau chiar si cu moartea. Snoop si multi altii au fost si inca sunt de alta parere.
Ceea ce e de retinut este ca, Nas nu l-a denigrat niciodata, nu si-a pierdut respectul pentru TuPas dupa moartea acestuia, precum au facut LL Cool J. sau Mobb Deep. Nas a spus public ca probleme lui cu TuPac s-au rezolvat inainte de moartea lui TuPac, mai exact in octombrie 2001. Mai transcriu un citat si cu asta inchei: Man, Pac was my peoples. I had nothing but love for this cat. First time I seen him we cracked a Henny and he turned it to the head. It made me cry, I mean, I was drunk when I heard him talking about me on Makaveli. We met, it almost got ugly, but we made peace.
Acum trebuie sa plec cat mai e soare afara, vor urma si celalalte, adica Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Benzino...
you just never know when you're living in a golden age.
eu stiam ca intalnirea de la house of blues a fost candva inainte ca nas sa lanseze it was written (iunie-iulie 1996) dar din cate stiu eu piesa the message de fapt linia "fake thug no love" era de fapt dedicata lui biggie care il atacase pe nas in repetate randuri cu faze de gen "your fam`s destiny, lays in my hands" (destiny fiind numele fiicei lui nas. beef-ul lui tupac cu nas a fost mai degraba ceva colateral, pentru ca nas era apropiat de mobb deep si ll cool j.
eu auzisem ca cei doi (tupac si nas) s-u intalnit dupa ce tupac a lansat makaveli - the don killuminati in august-sept 1996 si au facut pace.
nas si biggie nu erau in relatii foarte bune de cand biggie se auto-intitulase "the king of new york". despre beef-ul real intre nas si biggie nu prea am gasit mare lucru dar se pare ca a existat pe tot parcursul lu` 1996.
btw, sun, hate me now a aparut in 1999, pac murise de vreo 3ani, cred ca faza din video e mai degraba un "tribute" adus lui tupac.
ms, good convo
eu auzisem ca cei doi (tupac si nas) s-u intalnit dupa ce tupac a lansat makaveli - the don killuminati in august-sept 1996 si au facut pace.
nas si biggie nu erau in relatii foarte bune de cand biggie se auto-intitulase "the king of new york". despre beef-ul real intre nas si biggie nu prea am gasit mare lucru dar se pare ca a existat pe tot parcursul lu` 1996.
btw, sun, hate me now a aparut in 1999, pac murise de vreo 3ani, cred ca faza din video e mai degraba un "tribute" adus lui tupac.
ms, good convo
e m p t y.
De-alungul timpului nu am vazut materiale concludente. Multe difera intre ele, de la niste idei la succesiunea faptelor, indiferent de sursa. Me and Tupac were soldiers of the same struggle - Nas!.. According to Nas they met up about a week or two before 'Pac was shot and died. He said 'Pac said he was gonna take the disses off "Makaveli..." and that he wanted to hook up with Nas, but unfortunately 'Pac was shot before they got the chance to properly talk things through. Anyways, it's not as if Nas is blatently biting 'Pac like others out there that i'm sure we're all fully aware of. He just gives 'Pac props, he admired him and what not. Eu tot timpul l-am considerat pe Nas mult mai bun decat Biggie, lumea tot timpul exagereaza dupa moartea artistilor indiferent de domeniu sau ii uita de tot, daca ma pun sa compar primele lor doua albume, ma inclin spre Nas fara a sta pe ganduri. Toti ii compara pe ei doi, dar putini se gandesc la Rakim, care din punctul meu de vedere ii baga in buzunar pe amandoi, sau ii baga, chiar daca Nas a scos unul dintre cele mai bune albume clasice east coast - Illmatic.. nu pot sa nu amintesc: Nation of Millions! Ceva de genul: I'm the R the A to the K-I-M / If I wasn't, then why would I say I am.. Hehe.. Iar dupa apar: Yo, I'm the N the A to the S-I-R / And If I wasn't, I must've been Escobar.. Eminem: I Am / Whatever You Say I Am / If I Wasn't Then Why Would I Say I Am.. wel...
Rakim distrugea tot din punct de vedere liric, si-i facea cu-nsfert de laringe, chiar daca Biggie pentru inceput era in avantaj. Flow'ul sau chiar mi se parea a fi perfect, iar lirica l-a facut a fi cel mai bun. Biggie and Nas about even in storytelling, lyrical about even too, but Biggie's flows crush Nas more so than Nas having more meaning than Biggie, 'cause Ready to Die saves Biggies ass, but his smooth flow that make some shit lyrics dound tight has to bring him up.! Chuck D are deasemenea mesaj puternic, dar flow'ul acestuia cred ca lasa de dorit daca-l compar cu Rakim sau Nas. Rakim is the G.O.A.T.!!! Mi-a venit o idee.. Revin cu Nas si Biggie!
Rakim distrugea tot din punct de vedere liric, si-i facea cu-nsfert de laringe, chiar daca Biggie pentru inceput era in avantaj. Flow'ul sau chiar mi se parea a fi perfect, iar lirica l-a facut a fi cel mai bun. Biggie and Nas about even in storytelling, lyrical about even too, but Biggie's flows crush Nas more so than Nas having more meaning than Biggie, 'cause Ready to Die saves Biggies ass, but his smooth flow that make some shit lyrics dound tight has to bring him up.! Chuck D are deasemenea mesaj puternic, dar flow'ul acestuia cred ca lasa de dorit daca-l compar cu Rakim sau Nas. Rakim is the G.O.A.T.!!! Mi-a venit o idee.. Revin cu Nas si Biggie!
you just never know when you're living in a golden age.
ma rog, fiecare cu avantajele lui. sunt de acord cu tine, biggie e overrated tare de tot. cat despre rakim nu ma pot pronunta, nu l-am ascultat suficient cat sa imi dau seama. intr-adevar e un deschizator de drumuri in multe privinte, dar dpdv liric, sincer nu cred ca cineva il poate baga in buzunar pe nas.
astept sa vad continuare cu nas si biggie
props.
astept sa vad continuare cu nas si biggie
props.
e m p t y.
Sa-mi fie scuzata interventia...
Released November 5, 1996 on Deathrow Records
Highest Chart Position: #1 R&B, #1 Pop
Certified Gold January 10, 1997
Certified Platinum January 10, 1997
Certified Double Platinum January 10, 1997
Certified 3X Platinum April 16, 1997
Certified 5X Platinum June 15, 1999
(sursa: http://www.alleyezonme.com/lyrics/the7daytheory.phtml )
deci... nu prea aveau cum.
Makaveli - the don killuminati - The 7day Theoryseth wrote: eu auzisem ca cei doi (tupac si nas) s-u intalnit dupa ce tupac a lansat makaveli - the don killuminati in august-sept 1996 si au facut pace.
Released November 5, 1996 on Deathrow Records
Highest Chart Position: #1 R&B, #1 Pop
Certified Gold January 10, 1997
Certified Platinum January 10, 1997
Certified Double Platinum January 10, 1997
Certified 3X Platinum April 16, 1997
Certified 5X Platinum June 15, 1999
(sursa: http://www.alleyezonme.com/lyrics/the7daytheory.phtml )
deci... nu prea aveau cum.
Rectific: ai dreptateseth wrote:auzisem la un moment dat ca se impacase cu tupac chiar inainte de 7sept 1996, daca nu ma insel asta se intampla undeva la niste premii (mtv/bet music awards ?!) tu stii ceva despre asta, sun ?
M-ai facut curios si am citit un articol, tot pe linkul de mai sus, despre piesa Me and my girlfriend, unde Young Noble (Outlaws) spune:
He got that concept from Nas. Remember Nas did that song about the gun["I Gave You Power" from the 1996 album It Was Written]? 'Pac used to like that song. When him and Nas Squashed their beef, I was happy. I grew up on NAS. Around my way, when Nas came out with "Live At The Barbeque" Shit. I could have been the first nigga promoting his ass. All the Outlawz were fans of Nas. 'Pac was too. He used to like Nas. That's all hip-hop do. You hear a nice idea, and you flip it and make it better. That was one of those shits. There was a lot of shit going on, and 'Pac was never a dude to hold his toungue. He put it out there. He felt like a lot of mutherfuckas was against him, and that didn't sit well with him neither. Muthafuckas made it like an East Coast/West Coast situation, when in reality 'Pac and all the Outlawz is from the East Coast. That was just one of those songs where 'Pac was riding on his enemies. 'Pac had nothing but love from New York. We was in New York for the MTV Awards two days before he got shot in Vegas. That's where we seen Nas and they squashed it. That was one of the happiest time I've seen him. He was happy to be in New York and feeling the love. We was all in New York Uptown, it wasn't like we was in the hotel all day We even walked for some damn blocks. in Manhattan somewhere. 'Pac said, "f##k it, let's walk." We could have walked for 30 minutes. People couldn't believe it. This nigga was giving bums hundreds of dollars and shit He had me holding a damn little briefcase with all this money. He was really happy to be back in New York. I think he wanted to get in touch with everybody out there - Rappers, and just the streets, period. He was happy about squashing the beef out there with Nas.
Am uitat complet ce stabilisem. Scuza-mi tardiveala.seth wrote:astept sa vad continuare cu nas si biggie
Nu prea stiu ce-as putea relata despre Nas vs Biggie, fiindca din cate stiu eu n-au avut niciodata un beef in adevaratul sens al cuvantului. Au fost destul de competitivi respectul aflandu-se la mijloc. Una din putinele concordante este legata de beef'ul dintre Raekwon (Wu-Tang Clan) vs Biggie, pentru ca daca asculti Last Real Nigga iti vei da seama care-a fost situatia, relatia celor doi era linistita: Y'all don't know about my Biggie wars / Who you thought 'Kick In The Door' was for? / But that's my heart, y'all still trippin of this Jigga shit / Real niggas listen up and I'mma tell you how the whole thing start / Off top I brung Queens up from hard times / Rockin at the Fever, streets was all mine / It was my version of the blues, droppin our schools / The crack epidemic had rap representin new rules / So I, got in em shoes, tried em wore them / Wasn't a perfect fit, so I couldn't sport em / Young murderers ride, I knew all them / Jungle got shot, Will died, we was warring / I wrote it in my album / I was 18 when Lake seen the Island / And Lord held me down and / My surroundings started changing / I had a baby, I was making my rounds with AZ / Niggas started noticing my flow and was open when / The Golden Child closed em in with more style than them older men / Puff tried to start a label, Prince Rakeem had formed Wu-Tang / Snoop and Dre had a new thang / So Puff drove his new Range through Queensbridge Projects / He let me drive it, before Ready to Die hit / BIG and I hit blunts performing at the Arc / Next thing you knew, BIG blew and all the balling starts / He had Kim and his crew, I found Fox, only niggas in New York with number one charts / BIG was ahead of his time, him and Raekwon my niggas / But dig it, they couldn't get along / That's when Ghostface said it on the Purple tape / Bad Boy biting Nas album come awake / BIG told me Rae was stealing my slang / And Rae told me out in Shaolin BIG would do the same thing / But I borrowed from both them niggas / Jigga started to flow like us, but hit with 'Ain't No Niggas' / Had much Versace swagger / BIG admired the Brooklyn knight and it took him in as Iceberg the rapper / Today don't know nothing, about this bullshit / There's more shit than wanting to be this King of New York shit!
Aici exista acuzatii de ambele parti cum ca i-au furat stilul lui Nas.
Piesa interpretata de Biggie Kick In The Door e o piesa c-un caracter frustrant, care mie una mi se pare nasoala, in sensul ca el dupa 4 albume scoase nu a facut nici un leu, iar altii se scalda in bani fiind niste mc de toata jena, cam asta e mesajul per ansamblu, i-as fi dedicat EPMD - You Gots 2 Chill '97
Dupa care Nas a aparut cu piesa mai sus mentionata si a dat apa la moara fanilor, criticilor. Mai dura putin si-i credeam. Sunt convinsa de faptul ca toate aceste discutii care-au generat datorita comportamentelor interpretative, a fost cu intentia de a atrage ochii in directia lor, nu ca ar fi fost in pana de fani sau ceva de genul, ci din simplul fapt sa anime mai mult tabloul, sa existe putin piper cu ajutorul caruia la intalnirile ce aveau loc, sa stranuta, sa rada, sa se simta si ei bine. Asta e o parere personala, marketing sheat.
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy Asta e de pe Eher dedicatia pentru Jay-Z. Tot timpul se sustineau unul pe celalalt, isi permiteau a se folosi unul de celalant. Niciodata nu s-a ajuns la nivelul acela, de beef, fiindca dupa cum poate stii chiar si dupa moartea lui Biggie ('96) a facut acel tribute - We Will Survive - You can't kill nothin that's "Ready to Die" / You was like God to us in the form of Allah, care da de inteles ca exista "much love" intre ei doi la modul: Love / Peace is not the word to play with. Am incercat sa caut si eu tot felul de articole, dar din pacate sau din fericire nu a sustinut nimeni asa ceva. Singurul care admite a fost Nas - Y'all don't know about my Biggie wars / Who you thought 'Kick In The Door' was for?. Argumentele se fac gasite in piese, doar acolo poti gasi raspunsuri, dovezi care-ti pot confirma sau denega, eu una am rationalizat ca totul a fost strict profesional, fara indrazneli si obraznicii.
AH.. revin...
Chestiile astea iara le-ai auzit sau citit probabil prin reviste gen "Star". Pentru situatii de genul e divina media de cele mai multe ori, inca de la primele beef'uri au ajustat din plin. Patetic.nas si biggie nu erau in relatii foarte bune de cand biggie se auto-intitulase "the king of new york". despre beef-ul real intre nas si biggie nu prea am gasit mare lucru dar se pare ca a existat pe tot parcursul lu` 1996.
And these niggaz is wrong -- usin your name in vain / And they claim to be New York's king? It ain't about that / It's more serious, I plan to toast it up with you / Joke with you, happy we on top, the most official / Ain't too many real ones out there; I feel some / but doubt they're, capable, to take it where you took it to / I missed your wake not cause I'm fake cause I hate to see somebody so great in that way / I woulda stayed so long with so much to say / I had to put it in writin to keep me and Brooklyn from fightin / Tellin me to pay my respects and move to the side / But I probably wouldn't have got off my knees to let people by / You can't kill nothin that's "Ready to Die" / You was like God to us in the form of Allah... Fuck the papers, get the lyrics!!!
you just never know when you're living in a golden age.
n-am citit in reviste de scandal 
despre eventualul beef intre ei.. am facut un pic de corelari cu versurile lui biggie din piesa victory : "You hesitatin, I??âŹâ?m in your mama crib waitin/Duct tapin, your fam, destiny/Lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist/.. " and so on. asta nu mi se pare un semn de mare respect din partea lui big.. adica ma rog, la orice nivel era "permisivitatea reciproca de a se folosi unul de celalalt la nivel liric" una e sa faci referiri la persoana cuiva si altceva e sa te iei de mama si fiica respectivului. sincer, big a avut noroc ca s-a dus in `97, altfel nas il scotea la pensie, parerea mea.
pe we will survive, nas ii arata respect pentru ca nu poti sa te iei de un om mort. ma rog, poate sunt un pic pornit pe chestia asta, plus ca big nu-mi e prea simpatic si n-am putut sa suport niciodata atacurile la familie. plus ca in octombrie/noiembrie astept sa se nasca fiica mea
pax.
despre eventualul beef intre ei.. am facut un pic de corelari cu versurile lui biggie din piesa victory : "You hesitatin, I??âŹâ?m in your mama crib waitin/Duct tapin, your fam, destiny/Lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist/.. " and so on. asta nu mi se pare un semn de mare respect din partea lui big.. adica ma rog, la orice nivel era "permisivitatea reciproca de a se folosi unul de celalalt la nivel liric" una e sa faci referiri la persoana cuiva si altceva e sa te iei de mama si fiica respectivului. sincer, big a avut noroc ca s-a dus in `97, altfel nas il scotea la pensie, parerea mea.pe we will survive, nas ii arata respect pentru ca nu poti sa te iei de un om mort. ma rog, poate sunt un pic pornit pe chestia asta, plus ca big nu-mi e prea simpatic si n-am putut sa suport niciodata atacurile la familie. plus ca in octombrie/noiembrie astept sa se nasca fiica mea
pax.
e m p t y.
Mie asa mi-au lasat impresia, ca ambii fac atata valva pentru a atrage atentia asupra lor, posibil sa fi avut mici divergente care-n final au fost lamurite. Oricum, iti inteleg pozitia, fiind fan Nas. Eu privesc din exterior si simt doar dorinta ecoului, nimic mai mult.
Hehe, nice, sper sa fie sanatos tun bebele tau!!!
Te-ai gandit deja la un nume..
Hehe, nice, sper sa fie sanatos tun bebele tau!!!
Te-ai gandit deja la un nume..
you just never know when you're living in a golden age.
